"Qur’an Teacher Accused Of Child Abuse in the Maldives", my first thought was, well, what else is new?
People in power abusing the Maldivian children has almost become a norm now. Yeah, there are the few people who make a few noise when the case is initially known. I just wonder how many people follow through a case? Is it that Maldivian memory is so short lived that people forget that easily? or are we in denial or better yet, people are forgiving (not likely!).
This is a serious issue, the legal system needs to be more consistent and take these crimes more seriously (I don't mean to say, get your pitchforks and go on a witch hunt). I simply mean to say, do justice by the victims, don't victimise them anymore.
I should stop right there and not go into the whole, mudhinbe's and edhurubey's are saintly bid. Also not go into, how you shouldn't cross your Quran teacher no matter what. For that matter, also not question your tuition teacher. ( I wonder how many children Naseem sir is tutoring these days! - oh yeah I hear he is back teaching)
For the love of GOD! what is wrong with us? why do we keep putting up these child molesters and abusers? bloody hell, why the heck am I spending time writing this blog, without getting out there and doing something about it...
ok my rants done ........ for now
If it was an econmics teacher or an English teacher or a Budhist no one would mention that...Child abusers they should be punished which ever religon they follow...
ReplyDeleteyeah anony you are correct......Its not a secret that foreign teachers who give tuition too have many times abused students...But no one mentioned the subject they teach or their religon...funny . right?
ReplyDeletean ever wonder why drug addicts roam freely in Maldives? no smaller issue.......cos thats the root of all evil..
ReplyDeleteThe Qur'an teacher may be following the example of a certain 53 year-old man who molested the 9-year old daughter of his own best friend. Teachers of Economics, English and a Buddhist may not have such a role model to follow.
ReplyDeleteNaseem SO was a teacher and still is, and I believe he was known as "SO" meaning teacher? And recently an SEC teacher abused a girl, and the 'katheeb's get mentioned too, and yes ofcourse the Quran teachers and the edhurubey's. so the first anonymous, I don't know what your point is?
ReplyDeletesecond anony : religion gets mentioned because, religious teachers abuse children. so what else would get mentioned other than the religion? when the priests abused the boys, didn't the church get blamed?
anony 3: drug abuse is a passionate issue for me, but how does that factor into this??
my dearest friend, I know you are baiting me to say something, but what the heck, the teachers have Naseem SO and the catholics have had their share of "role models" in the case of sexual abuse haven't they?
athenas friend, whom r u refering to?
ReplyDeleteYour father? were you abused as a child?
and dont beat around the bush...
Last Anon: I was referring to Mohamed bin Abdulla. No I was not abused as a child and I never beat around the bush.
ReplyDeleteNo Athena, my dearest. I never bait you, now do I? Yes the teachers have Naseemu Soh and the Catholics have erring priests an a few dodgy popes too. But the Catholics do not have a Saviour who devoured on pre-teen girls.
athena's friend - ofcourse you do, all the time. But heheh what the heck! its more fun this way. The saviour aye? I believe we muslims call Jesus the Messiah too. pretty sure you were not referring to him.
ReplyDeleteThe Saviour is the Messiah. Tell me, why do Muslims call Jesus "Messiah"? I know it is in the Qur'an, but why?
ReplyDeleteThe word Messiah, in Arabic المسيح Hebrew מָׁשִיַח, Aramaic משיחא, Syriac ܡܫܺܝܚܳܐ and Greek Χρήστος (Khristos) implies a person of higher status than a prophet. In Judeo-Christian scriptures and even in the Quran, there are many prophets but only one Messiah. The question is why did Mohamed call himself a prophet while calling Jesus the Messiah (as well as a prophet). Was Mohamed just displaying his ignorance when he composed and dictated the Quran to his scribes? He seems to be demonstrating a total lack of understanding of the significance of the word Messiah in the following verse (4.171)
ReplyDeleteيَـٰٓأَهۡلَ ٱلۡڪِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُواْ فِى دِينِڪُمۡ وَلَا تَقُولُواْ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلۡحَقَّۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَڪَلِمَتُهُ ۥۤ أَلۡقَٮٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرۡيَمَ وَرُوحٌ۬ مِّنۡهُۖ فَـَٔامِنُواْ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦۖ وَلَا تَقُولُواْ ثَلَـٰثَةٌۚ ٱنتَهُواْ خَيۡرً۬ا لَّڪُمۡۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ۬ وَٲحِدٌ۬ۖ سُبۡحَـٰنَهُ ۥۤ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ ۥ وَلَدٌ۬ۘ لَّهُ ۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَڪِيلاً۬
Hello my dearest friend: to answer the first question - well you answered it yourself. because its in the Quran and muslims don't question why something is in the quran.
ReplyDeleteSecond statement : I coudnt' really see a question there, more your own rambling. First of all, we as mulims don't believe that Mohammed wrote Quran, we actually believe that it is the word of Allah. So the question of ignorance doesn't come into factor here. And as you say, the meaning of Messiah or the notion of a messiah being higher than a prophet is no big deal. A messenger is higher than a prophet too. And, yes there is only one messiah, and he is the one who is going to come to save humanity. so what is the conflict here???
Messiah was not the only unique title that Mohamed bin Abdulla conceded to Jesus in his Qur'an. He also referred to Jesus as a Word from Him (God) وَڪَلِمَتُهُ [wa kalimatuhoo] and a Spirit proceeding from Him (God) وَرُوحٌ۬ مِّنۡهُۖ [wa rouhun minhu] thereby placing Jesus well above the titles with which Mohamed credited himself [nabi and rasool]. My feeling is that he had ignorantly plagiarised the Bible stories that old Baheera, the Christian monk taught him while doing the Syrian trade runs for his elderly boss and future wife Khadeeja.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting that you believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ. I am not sure who is senior, a mere messenger or someone who is going to come to save humanity (your words; not mine). When you go to the doctor, who do you really want to see? The receptionist who tells you that the doctor will be available in 10 minutes or the doctor herself?
Think about it, my dearest friend!
In a different conversation you told me that whenever you talk to me I make you a better Muslim. I hope this little exchange too has done exactly that. I am glad to be of service to you and Mohamed bin Abdulla.
One more thing, Athena. Why did Mohamed bin Abdulla think that a book he claimed his Allah revealed to Jesus was called انجيل(Injeel)? Injeel derives from the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον (Evangelion) which means "Good News". Why did Allah use a Greek word to name a book he supposedly revealed to a speaker of Aramaic and Hebrew? Those who codified the New Testament, well after the time of Jesus, were mainly Greek speakers and they adopted "Evangelion" to refer to the Gospels as a generic term. Why then did Allah adopt the terminology coined by these Greek-speaking Christians? Was he such an unimaginative god? Again the finger points to Baheera the Greek monk that Mohamed used to visit on his way to and from Syria. The ruins of Baheera's monastery still stand in the Syrian town of Busra.
ReplyDeleteSo who actually taught Mohamed the word he later corrupted to "Injeel"? Allah or Baheera? My bet is Baheera.
To reply to your previous post - Mohammed never did, make himself anything more than he was ( a mere messenger - to convey Allah's message to humanity). And if Mohammed was told that Jesus would come again at the time of need, then that was what he conveyed. I don't see what the problem there is.
ReplyDeletehehhe and your last comment. Its very simple, why use a term, that was used ages ago, when you can use the more current term (injeel)?
Athena, I beg to differ with you there and I suppose we will never agree on this (what's new?). Yes Mohamed did make himself something more than he was. He called himself a prophet and an apostle and a mercy for the worlds (Qur'an 21:107)
ReplyDeleteوَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَـٰكَ إِلَّا رَحۡمَةً۬ لِّلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ
In reality he was a man who, at age 53, had sex with his best friend's 9-year old daughter. He was a man who murdered non-combatant boys of the tribe of Banu Quraiza only because they had grown pubic hair (Sunan Abu Dawood 38:4390). He was a man who beheaded Huyai ibn Akhtab, chief of the tribe of Bani Nadeer, simply for not accepting him as a prophet. He was a man who, on the same day that he had Huyai beheaded, had sex with his daughter Safiyya. Does this sound like the conduct of "a mercy for the worlds"? I know you will say that the man was simply following the orders of his Allah, however unsavoury those orders were.
I know that you don't believe (very conveniently for you) long-standing and respected books of Hadith and Sunnah and would reject all of this out of hand.
Knowing your remarkably high level of intelligence (you being one of the most intelligent people I have come across), I think you understood precisely what I said about Mohamed's use of the term "injeel" in his Qur'an but it was simply convenient to pretend that you didn't understand.
So, as usual, let us agree to disagree, my friend!
Hi My dearest friend: I don't know any other person who could call me intelligent and at the same time insult my intelligence! hehehe but thats you. And no, we will never agree on this, and its the way its going to be. We have already talked about it and talked a bit more. I have said what I wanted to say to you a hundred times and over. So let us just agree to disagree and let it be... It is Ramadan after all, so lets call a truce for now...
ReplyDeleteAthena.... Actually I was the one who called the truce and it had nothing to do with Ramadan, which, as you know, does not exist for me. For the sake of intellectual debate, I hope the truce is only temporary.
ReplyDeleteok ok have it your way. For me Ramadan is a reality. And you bet, its only temporary. I am a bit intellectually drained these days, got a few reports to finish up.
ReplyDeleteI like to read between your lines. What's in between is always more interesting :)
ReplyDeletetsk tsk tsk. ive forgotten what the post was about now. came here to comment and after reading all the previous comments i seem to have forgotten what i was gonna write.hehe. but interesting debate
ReplyDeleteKazia shozy : hey dude its nice to see you. Howz Ramazan treating you. For us here, its not as long as it used to be. Catch you later
ReplyDeleteMy dearest friend : what if there was nothing to read in-between? hehehe But after your comment, I can see why you would want to read from my last comment. its almost funny! hehehhe
ramadan's been good. i cant say its shorter compared to back home though.hehe. but yea, compared to the last time i was here when we had to break the fast at around 8 or so.....yea, its alot better.hehe.
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